I personally think that it is absolute rubbish.
btw i use arch, and you should too, shame on you.
enable IPv6 or suffer from IPv4 deprectiation
the interface shows some promise, primarily bcs they're blatantly copying macos which is a good design, but also because they are finally managing to somewhat tie it together, rather than it being a complete tossup whether you'll get a windows 7, 8 or 10 styled dialog
it's a shame elements like the start menu are still completely meme though when they had already perfected it in vista, but we are never going to get a fully desktop optimized interface again since they're a Thing Of The Past. also since this is the decade of the electron desktop i'm waiting for windows 98 2 to happen, which already is to an extent in 10
it's a shame elements like the start menu are still completely meme though when they had already perfected it in vista, but we are never going to get a fully desktop optimized interface again since they're a Thing Of The Past. also since this is the decade of the electron desktop i'm waiting for windows 98 2 to happen, which already is to an extent in 10
i mean, it has no right to even have its own version number, smells like they'll do the google meme where they get a new release number every time you look away
as for the changes, they're honestly horrible. it adds yet another new design style into the mix, which will happily not fucking mesh with any of the other styles at all
i mean, we now have what; win11 style, new10 style, old10 style, metro, aero, some winxp things still, as well as things dating back to win95, and they're happily crushed together
take a look at the file explorer for example, it has win11 icons sometimes, then in other places it has old10 style icons, and others are aero-style... the large-padding win11 style is crushed together with the still very compact 2010 version of the Ribbon, which makes no sense
as for the taskbar, i don't rly get it. it feels like it's different just to ...be different. there's no real purpose to this change except make things clunkier, and remove a lot of customization. custom toolbars are gone, window titles are gone, moving/resizing the taskbar is gone, changing icon sizes is gone, hell you can't even see how many windows of something you have open unless you hover it in which case a VERY low-contrast change in the hover backlight is noticable that tells you whether you have 1, or 2+ open.... splendid
it falls in line with the current state of microsoft (and especially windows), which is starting with a dumb idea that's not really worked out properly, then just implementing it without ever looking at the big picture, then just pushing it without any testing, because "if anything is broken or hated i guess we can just revert it in another update", and injecting a fuckton of spyware into it, the purpose probably being to give automatic, data-driven feedback on the update, which is never used, and just collects at ms servers and who knows what happens to it then, who it gets sold to, who has access to it etc
the widgets are neat, but feel like they're very shabbily implemented "just have some webview come out the side yeah sure that works", and won't see much use at all, unlike aero gadgets which could be placed anywhere and thus would actually be useful to some as opposed to some random drawer nobody's even gonna look at
as for the changes, they're honestly horrible. it adds yet another new design style into the mix, which will happily not fucking mesh with any of the other styles at all
i mean, we now have what; win11 style, new10 style, old10 style, metro, aero, some winxp things still, as well as things dating back to win95, and they're happily crushed together
take a look at the file explorer for example, it has win11 icons sometimes, then in other places it has old10 style icons, and others are aero-style... the large-padding win11 style is crushed together with the still very compact 2010 version of the Ribbon, which makes no sense
as for the taskbar, i don't rly get it. it feels like it's different just to ...be different. there's no real purpose to this change except make things clunkier, and remove a lot of customization. custom toolbars are gone, window titles are gone, moving/resizing the taskbar is gone, changing icon sizes is gone, hell you can't even see how many windows of something you have open unless you hover it in which case a VERY low-contrast change in the hover backlight is noticable that tells you whether you have 1, or 2+ open.... splendid
it falls in line with the current state of microsoft (and especially windows), which is starting with a dumb idea that's not really worked out properly, then just implementing it without ever looking at the big picture, then just pushing it without any testing, because "if anything is broken or hated i guess we can just revert it in another update", and injecting a fuckton of spyware into it, the purpose probably being to give automatic, data-driven feedback on the update, which is never used, and just collects at ms servers and who knows what happens to it then, who it gets sold to, who has access to it etc
the widgets are neat, but feel like they're very shabbily implemented "just have some webview come out the side yeah sure that works", and won't see much use at all, unlike aero gadgets which could be placed anywhere and thus would actually be useful to some as opposed to some random drawer nobody's even gonna look at
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I dont get why microsoft is changing crap every 2 years. I feel that they are trying to oversimplify everything. Although ngl but the Windows 10 start menu is beyond bloated and it just doesnt seem to flow.
To be frank, Microsoft needs another Windows Vista. Completely scrapping the old code in favour of new code. I hope that Windows 11 is a response to all the rightly-dserved bad press Windows 10 has received, but I feel like its going to be Windows 10 but with more spyware, more bloatware, and more stuff you dont need.
For Windows, I will just stick to Server 2019 and Windows 7
I dont get why microsoft is changing crap every 2 years. I feel that they are trying to oversimplify everything. Although ngl but the Windows 10 start menu is beyond bloated and it just doesnt seem to flow.
To be frank, Microsoft needs another Windows Vista. Completely scrapping the old code in favour of new code. I hope that Windows 11 is a response to all the rightly-dserved bad press Windows 10 has received, but I feel like its going to be Windows 10 but with more spyware, more bloatware, and more stuff you dont need.
For Windows, I will just stick to Server 2019 and Windows 7
btw i use arch, and you should too, shame on you.
enable IPv6 or suffer from IPv4 deprectiation
> To be frank, Microsoft needs another Windows Vista. Completely scrapping the old code in favour of new code.
Isn't gonna happen. Agile programming is the holy scripture now. Push tiny changes immediately with zero quality control, fix things if they break with more updates. Push spyware to get data on how bad or good an update is (but then don't do anything with it).
>I hope that Windows 11 is a response to all the rightly-dserved bad press Windows 10 has received, but I feel like its going to be Windows 10 but with more spyware, more bloatware, and more stuff you dont need.
It's just Windows 10 but with a few visual changes. This has no right to have its own version number. It'll have the same amount of spyware as the version before it, only being marginally more just like any other feature rollup update.
Isn't gonna happen. Agile programming is the holy scripture now. Push tiny changes immediately with zero quality control, fix things if they break with more updates. Push spyware to get data on how bad or good an update is (but then don't do anything with it).
>I hope that Windows 11 is a response to all the rightly-dserved bad press Windows 10 has received, but I feel like its going to be Windows 10 but with more spyware, more bloatware, and more stuff you dont need.
It's just Windows 10 but with a few visual changes. This has no right to have its own version number. It'll have the same amount of spyware as the version before it, only being marginally more just like any other feature rollup update.
im optimistically remaining patient, what ive seen thus far seems like a step in the right direction but it definitely needs more time in the oven. microsoft has a lot of reputation repairing to do so making a windows version that's actually decent would be in their best interest. it'd be nice if it was on a new kernel tho, but since midori is kill i doubt we'll ever move off of NT unless microsoft wants to try to get shit working on top of the linux kernel, but that'd prob just make it worse...
Dying of boredom, I'll try it all...
NT is good, Linux is trash (both comparatively). Monolithic kernels are idiotic for client machines. I don't think Midori could've ever been anything beyond a research project. NT has proven its resiliency and portability very well with Windows Phone 8 and such.
As for 11, there's some worrying omissions namely in terms of customisation and middle clicking, but this is pre-alpha software essentially so I'm sure what was there will be back.
The start menu is still a joke and the operating system in general still looks a lot like a shitty cross between Android and macOS.
One thing I appreciate about Apple is that they realise that macOS is there to specialise in mouse and keyboard input and should stay Far Away from touch screens, and then have iOS and iPad OS for touch which their implementation of mouse input in iPad OS reflects. Touch input on laptops is nothing more than a gimmick that the people over at Linus Tech Tips like to oversell. Microsoft needs to learn from this and make Windows a mouse/keyboard focussed system again.
As for the rounded corners, it honestly looks a lot nicer than 10 did but that bar wasn't put very high. That's not to say that I don't like sharp corners, given that I like Windows 8's theme, but 10 just felt... the only word I can really come up to describe it is anorexic but obese at the same time. Elements are too thin in some cases and in other cases they have way too much spacing, the 1px window borders in 10+ annoy me to no end. File Explorer looks like it's crying out for a bullet through its head with all the padding going on. Though I commend their effort in trying to actually recreate all icons, we'll see how much they'll end up keeping that promise. I'm hoping they'll do more with the Windows theme, but given the official announcement stream is in a couple days I'm somewhat doubtful about that.
It's pretty neat how they're finally adding a new startup sound for the first time since Vista and the default sound pack sounds less nagging.
I haven't really seen the widgets system yet, but it seems like it's just going to be a half assed web based replacement for gadgets/live tiles because more web browsers running in the background is what we need. Windows 98 taught us nothing.
I want to be optimistic, but this is just going to be a continuation of the track we were on with Windows 10, unfortunately.
I've already decided I'm probably going Apple next, Windows 8.1 is already pretty much impossible to get working properly on my laptop from 2018 so I'm left with little choice and Linux is a joke as stated at the start of this post.
As for 11, there's some worrying omissions namely in terms of customisation and middle clicking, but this is pre-alpha software essentially so I'm sure what was there will be back.
The start menu is still a joke and the operating system in general still looks a lot like a shitty cross between Android and macOS.
One thing I appreciate about Apple is that they realise that macOS is there to specialise in mouse and keyboard input and should stay Far Away from touch screens, and then have iOS and iPad OS for touch which their implementation of mouse input in iPad OS reflects. Touch input on laptops is nothing more than a gimmick that the people over at Linus Tech Tips like to oversell. Microsoft needs to learn from this and make Windows a mouse/keyboard focussed system again.
As for the rounded corners, it honestly looks a lot nicer than 10 did but that bar wasn't put very high. That's not to say that I don't like sharp corners, given that I like Windows 8's theme, but 10 just felt... the only word I can really come up to describe it is anorexic but obese at the same time. Elements are too thin in some cases and in other cases they have way too much spacing, the 1px window borders in 10+ annoy me to no end. File Explorer looks like it's crying out for a bullet through its head with all the padding going on. Though I commend their effort in trying to actually recreate all icons, we'll see how much they'll end up keeping that promise. I'm hoping they'll do more with the Windows theme, but given the official announcement stream is in a couple days I'm somewhat doubtful about that.
It's pretty neat how they're finally adding a new startup sound for the first time since Vista and the default sound pack sounds less nagging.
I haven't really seen the widgets system yet, but it seems like it's just going to be a half assed web based replacement for gadgets/live tiles because more web browsers running in the background is what we need. Windows 98 taught us nothing.
I want to be optimistic, but this is just going to be a continuation of the track we were on with Windows 10, unfortunately.
I've already decided I'm probably going Apple next, Windows 8.1 is already pretty much impossible to get working properly on my laptop from 2018 so I'm left with little choice and Linux is a joke as stated at the start of this post.
i just dont see the point in it. i've seen nothing that seperates it from 10 aside from new design elements and widgets. IMO widgets are just back in rotation because Apple brought them back into the limelight with iOS 14. Vista had widgets and basically nobody seemed to care. I have literally never heard "man i wish they brought back aero gadgets!" come out of anyones mouth. i think its a fad that will just die out in the next year, but honestly it might be neat to just have them supported so who knows.
i like some of the new design changes, the rounded corners are pretty nice. the start menu looks bad but i have never used it, always just used windows search when i want to launch something. So its a change i really dont care about.
it stands to see if they will actually commit to the design and have them remove the old designs. but honestly part of me hopes not because old control panel actually functions in comparison to the redesign in win10.
overall just kind of seems like a mess and i cant see my self upgrading. win10 just works for me even though its boring, and has the potential to kill it self for whatever reason at any time.
its sad that now when ever a new os comes out the only thing we have to talk about is widgets, start menu and rounded corners instead of any kind of substantial change. remember win7 -> 8? that was pretty cool. now its just bro look at the corners doee!!!!!!
win10 reskin
i like some of the new design changes, the rounded corners are pretty nice. the start menu looks bad but i have never used it, always just used windows search when i want to launch something. So its a change i really dont care about.
it stands to see if they will actually commit to the design and have them remove the old designs. but honestly part of me hopes not because old control panel actually functions in comparison to the redesign in win10.
overall just kind of seems like a mess and i cant see my self upgrading. win10 just works for me even though its boring, and has the potential to kill it self for whatever reason at any time.
its sad that now when ever a new os comes out the only thing we have to talk about is widgets, start menu and rounded corners instead of any kind of substantial change. remember win7 -> 8? that was pretty cool. now its just bro look at the corners doee!!!!!!
win10 reskin
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i mean technically speaking, windows 7 was a boring announcement. it was literally just vista again but with the superbar and aero snap, and that's widely considered to be one of the best windows versions ever. same thing with windows 2000, it was literally just nt 4 and 98 glued together, but it was also considered one of the best windows versions ever. and 8.1 is literally just 8.0 with a start button, but that single difference made it go from "the worst thing microsoft has done since ME" to sorely missed by us. perhaps if they are putting their focus towards the parts that matter, i.e. stability and function, windows 11 has a chance to match that level of "not remarkable but actually good" that those previous systems achieved
Dying of boredom, I'll try it all...