in posting the following ideas i would first like to make several things clear before beginning, both that you may better understand my position in reasoning these things and also that you will not be so quick to make excuses or dismiss ideas contrary to your own outright. as i said earlier, i am very interested in discussing these ideas with those who disagree with them
this being said, however, i am wholly uninterested in analyzing this from a political or statistical perspective as so many discussing this waste their time doing. i do not inform my actions from politics or statistics, but rather from direct experience and philosophical consideration, and as such do not waste my time dealing with the political; further, i think the question of homosexuality is primarily a philosophical one rather than a political one. if there is anyone on this forum that would most prefer the conclusions i have reached here to be different, it would without a doubt be me. the only person i can say i've felt truly romantic feelings for in my life was a man, and even a feminine man is a better farmhand than a woman -- i just happen to know myself well enough at this point to separate my own selfish desires from my attempts to seek truth. keep this in mind as you consider the following
in continuing from the ideas presented in the previous post, i will begin by restating that the signs of true love in a man are evidenced in his sacrifices for others. the purest form of this is when these sacrifices are made freely without the expectation of reciprocation from those blessed by them, but i would not go so far as to say that in expecting reciprocation you are without love; however, the expectation of reciprocation can very easily lead to spite and malice over time which is the potential danger of such expectations. i have not seen this manifest anywhere else as often as i have with romantic relationships, especially ones in which there is an active sexual component: everyone sees this happen so blatantly in these times and yet i very rarely see anyone drawing conclusions from so often seeing love turn to hatred. it is not a coincidence, but rather a symptom of selfishness
although a sexual relationship will always have the expectation of sexual reciprocation formed into its foundation, the glory in such a relationship comes first from the loving sacrifices made by each towards one another in much the same way as in a nonsexual relationship. but even further, the relationship is drawn closest to the platonic ideal by the bringing forth of new life by the consequence of those same sexual relations in its very foundation, the sacrificial consequence from the lesser expectation of sexual reciprocation: children
especially in these wonderful times we're unfortunately bound to, i don't need to tell you that the purity of a pair's love is tried to the breaking point by the sacrifices required to raise children. those who could not even bring themselves to understand the sacrificial nature of love in their own sexual relationship bring the consequences of this selfish behavior tenfold on their children, the irrevocable reminder of their moral and philosophical failures in what was the easy portion of the trial. given how frequently i've met people coming to age very poorly adjusted in almost every area and aspect of life, including me, this is a frightening indicator that the great mass of humanity must beware of carrying forward the cycle of abuse impressed on them by circumstance
given how poorly the heterosexual order has been doing with rearing well adjusted children for the last few generations, it is not surprising to me that as this abusive cycle continues to compound there is a greater and greater pressure towards incredible selfishness in each successive generation of youth. chief among this i see the blatant increase in the prevalence of homosexual behavior, and of effeminacy, and of blind pleasure-seeking by all sexual persuasions. this is a horrific, terrible portent and unless this is discussed openly i greatly fear for what is yet to come by the end of my own lifetime
i have yet to see a single stable homosexual relationship in my own life, and this is not surprising to me. to enter a homosexual relationship is almost always to indulge in the exchange of pleasures without a mind towards the future, and this is evidenced to me by the majority of homosexuals i know and have known can hardly see past the ends of their noses, let alone decades into the future. i always without failure see unhealthy amounts of selfishness on even small matters to the end that in many cases i cannot understand how these couples can stand each other when not in the bedroom, even within mere months of starting to date
when i consider my own homosexual tendencies, i am always left thinking about my childhood. being alone often with my parents always working stunted my social development by several years, which i somewhat managed to begin remedying by seeking employment at a young age. as a result, a majority of my early positive social interactions that formed a simulacra imprinted onto my future relationships were of the pseudo-masculine transactional environments which compose the world of business. i write 'pseudo-masculine' because though the office environment is not necessarily effeminate intrinsically, it would be incredibly foolish to call it masculine at all; in effect, you're left with this castrated, sterile environment which expects vain shadows of masculine sacrifices for no greater reason or purpose
not being close to my mother or sister left me with no reference point to understand women, and given my reclusive nature in school this was not supplemented until it was much too late. i only really ever dealt with boys or men, and a majority of that was purely transactional in nature. as a result, i tend to get quickly frustrated and annoyed with women for reasons that someone who is actually well-adjusted would be able to at least somewhat empathize with. i've spent a vast majority of my adult life trying to undo these two issues emerging from a stunted youth, and while i have had substantial success in undoing the feeling that my entire worth comes from wealth and its transaction, i have had significantly less success in trying to empathize with women. while i can easily be friends with women, every time i've tried bringing them in from an arm's length into a romantic relationship i just end up aggravated and end up calling it off, every time from a lack of empathy on my part. even recently i have still failed in this, but fortunately i caught myself before i let things develop too far
it should not be surprising then that i have engaged in homosexual relationships at several points, most times a result of being encouraged by people i should have known better than to take advice from. every single attempt ended in such a miserable wreck to the extent that i have no desire to recall any specifically, but rather i will just draw conclusions. my statements earlier about homosexual relationships are secondarily from witnessing them, but firstly having lived them. even in the single instance i hinted at in the foreword to this writing in which i felt a true romantic attachment and saw the evidences of sacrificial love with him, it was the lack of a meaningful future from it which caused me to end it
in having begun working early in a specialized field i became very used to taking control of my circumstances early, which has in turn made me behave more dominantly in most areas of my life. being something that i have been forced to deal with i noticed, especially when i was significantly less outwardly masculine than i am now, that i tended to attract effeminate men very easily. in saying the following i don't intend to mean that every man needs to be a BIG BEEFY STUD MUFFIN by any means, but there is definitely an issue with the great prevalence of effeminate, unhealthily submissive men that are looking for absolutely any stable bastion to begin founding their understanding of life on. being in the dominant role in all of these relationships i saw this exact same thing repeated every single time, just dressed up in different clothing
to be healthily submissive is not being utterly confused by everything and expecting someone else to be your rock and come up with answers for you; rather, this behavior is an attempt to rectify the cycle of abuse by blindly trusting another person to answer the questions you are too afraid to ask. a healthy submission is in trusting the intent of someone you love but at the same time having seen and read things of your own, and not being afraid of posing even fundamental objections to their intent in a loving way. i only saw this exhibited once, in the one relationship i hinted at, and even then when fully manifested in a proper way over a good deal of time i was left with just one question:
why am i in a sexual relationship with this person?
this seems like a stupid question if you misunderstand the purpose of love, but in every way i could figure it was overall stunting to this man's personal development by continuing in a sexual relationship. although i was certainly helpful in helping him orient and see what life could be, what good would come from continuing in this? he would just keep leaning on me and expecting me to lead, but i couldn't understand how this could be a healthy thing for him. i could have had the same effect in just being a good friend, but now i'm in a position where the fullness of seeing these things was harmed by his reliance on my guidance and provisions: the sexual aspect was getting in the way of a true love for this man, as i discussed in the first post. every counterargument i had to this was just a result of my own selfishness in enjoying the sex, so i ended it
this didn't end well and obviously i have not spoken to this person since, a consequence that would have been easily avoided if the sexual aspect was left out. it saddened me especially because i truly loved him, but not being able to actually see a future in this behavior was driving me to drink heavily. specifically, i was bothered by the idea that even if we were to adopt children at some point, the children would still have no proper mother figure in their lives and in turn would be much more likely to repeat the consequences of the same cycle of abuse that caused my own social issues, not even to mention signalling to others that such a relationship is acceptable and does not come with many severe philosophical and ethical compromises
to summarize, i really don't think it's possible to have a homosexual relationship in a way that is not inherently selfish. even in the circumstances where the pair are exhibiting loving sacrifice for each other, the sexual aspect has no sacrificial component to it which makes me doubt if such a thing could even be called love. in endorsing relationship behaviors that are inherently selfish, we perpetuate the cycle of abuse which has caused so much unnecessary suffering in these times, and such a thing is something that tends to only get worse and worse until we truly sit down and are willing to be honest with ourselves, even if it is extremely painful and brings us to conclusions we don't want to consider
this is all my opinion of course. what do you all have to say about this matter?
